He worked in WhiteHall prior to the war as a chartered surveyor. worked in or simply that he worked in a department in a parliamentary house, it's speculative at best I know ?. Canada's Brodie Seger, left, signs a fans helmet after the men's World I would leave the chin strap that is original, it's up to you what you want to do, with the helmet shell, it would have had an originalBMB liner dated the same as the shell, but I've seen BMB helmets with other maker. Failing this, simply search on this forum under Brodie and you should find a wealth of information etc. I'm posting them as quick as I can wrap them up, Haven't tweeted in a while. The result in 1940 was the M1, which was effectively an altered version of the M1917. The British Mark I chinstrap bails are made from 16 gauge brass or in some cases steel wire. ", You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. To avoid a smooth reflective finish a small amount of river gravel was mixed into the paint. dailyinfo[5]=' 12147 Private Harry COOK 8th Bn. dailyinfo[10]=' 14780 Member Ida Styles HUGHES (Oxford) Womens Royal Air Force who died 10/03/1919 OXFORD (ROSE HILL) CEMETERY United Kingdom ' dailyinfo[16]=' 22659 Serjeant George SNELL Military Medal "T" Bty. on the American helmets they look very crudely overlapped. Brodie Steel trench helmet Identification marks Remembered Today: 1081780 Sapper Bedford Stanley LONG "D" Coy. You can post now and register later. I guess my difficulty is that discussions about brodies are quite detailed and assume prior knowledge. The helmet shell is indeed a M1* with an early made Vero liner. brodie helmet products for sale | eBay I helmet was made up of 12 percent manganese. Depending on your recommendation and initial read, I may take some light sandpaper to the brim and see what I can find. 5min video no sound date 1918 Military helmets manufactured at a factory in USA. Keeping a village shop going, Upcoming changes to logging in - click here, GWF is free to use so please support the Forum. Highland Light Infantry who died 19/03/1915 LE TOURET MEMORIAL France ' The American P17 chinstrap bail negated the flaws of the British design. It may have been refurbished by the Americans during the 1930s and had new mounts added, which they did to both British and American Helmets, if you can find a makers mark you will know for sure. if (month<10) month="0"+month dailyinfo[1]=' Staff Nurse Edith Mary CAMMACK Associate of the Royal Red Cross, 2nd Class 4th Southern Gen. Hos. dailyinfo[30]=' B/469 Worker Charles BARLOW Australian Munition Worker who died 30/01/1918 NORTH SHEEN CEMETERY United Kingdom ' The liner can always be a replacementthough that style screams WWI and should be held in place with a rivet.. I believe they were numbered 1-24. He worked at the Houses of Parliament (I cant quite remember what position he held but I will ask my step father tomorrow) and he was good friends with Sir Winston Churchill and attended various dinners with him, one of which we have the original letter and menu for. and Gen. Hos. The Brodie Helmet - WW2 Helmets The high temperature of the oven caused the lead based paint to melt briefly before hardening which encapsulated the saw dust particles securing them to the helmets surface. dailyinfo[22]=' 25368 Quartermaster Serjeant Leonard Henry CADE Meritorious Service Medal 12th Coy. W. = Westinghouse Electric Co - Pennsylvania. The buckle and loop clamps of the initial issue of this chinstrap were painted green. Northamptonshire Regiment who died 14/03/1915 LE TOURET MEMORIAL France ' So these were our deliverers at last." ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. stands for General Steel Wares of Toronto, who made helmets from 1940 to 1942. Index CEF Helmets - Kaiser's Bunker var daym=mydate.getDate() Thanks for the info lads. Very Solid condition. Classic cars Antique World War II helmet stamped and dated 1942 Canadian Army Brodie helmet made by General Steel Wares of Toronto shopatlanticcanada (133) $191.29 Vintage WWII Army Helmet 1940s Canadian Brodie MKII WyrembelskisVintage (1,643) $165.00 vintage army metal doughboy helmet IronCharlie (31) $345.00 FREE shipping dailyinfo[14]=' 16511 Private Albert COLEMAN "D" Coy. The shape of the helmet was also somewhat similar to the Brodie in that it was based around a circular steel cap which provided maximum protection to the top of the head, with the rim protecting the ears and upper face. Recently on another Great war forum, a collector asked what the FKS on the inside of his WW1 brodie shell meant. Royal Horse Artillery who died 21/02/1917 GUARDS CEMETERY, COMBLES France ' They also have a similar liner and chinstrap. Over time this would nullify any anti-reflective properties the finish possessed thus putting the wearing in danger. The chinstrap bails on a British Mark I and a U.S. P17 are of a completely different design. if it is red underneathit could have been. var fontend = '' It wasundoubtedly a welcomerelief from having the helmet constantly bounce up and down on the top of the wearer skull while running across no mans land. This was the American M1 helmet, arguably the most iconic and recognizable military helmet produced in modern times. Significantly, over 400,000 Brodies were sold to the United States for use in France after they joined the war in April 1917. During World War 1, the U.S. adopted the Brodie Helmet, also called the British Mark 1. The most obvious difference may be observed by turning the helmet over. The Brodie has been described by the Imperial War Museum as "a masterpiece of simple design", while militaria expert Martin Pegler calls it "the most instantly recognisable symbol of the British Tommy", although most troops would not have referred to it by by the same name. Should I get a replacement liner and chinstrap or just leave it as it is? dailyinfo[8]=' 13277 Labourer Klaas NERO South African Native Labour Corps who died 08/03/1917 PUGU ROAD 1914-1918 MEMORIAL Tanzania ' WW1 Brodie British Helmet Original C. 1916 455.00 Click & Collect 12.00 postage or Best Offer 26 watching WW1 US AEF 30th Division Patch Painted Brodie Helmet 190.63 29.65 postage 10 watching Original USA American WW1 M-1917 Brodie Helmet with Original Sand Finish w Liner 317.72 63.54 postage or Best Offer The helmet is indeed a M1917A1 shell made by ( the McCord Radiator Co ) the stamp mark ( 4B ) is a heat, or batch stampnumber used for quality control. Surely there is only one Great War Forum!!! Wikizero - Brodie helmet He was the head ofthe South-West ministry of publics works. This is what so many collectors need to restore an original British WW2 or American WWI Dough Boy helmet to wearable or even presentable condition. dailyinfo[13]=' 37643 Sapper Thomas John ECCLESTON Tunnelling Coy. The M1917 Brodie Helmet was manufactured by the Columbian Enameling and Stamping Company (Terre Haute, IN, USA). SHIPPED TO "MRS. C DeSIMONE" IN MARCUS HOOK PENNA" FROM HER HUSBAND "PFC JOE . By NOT JUST RESTORATION. In addition, the heads of soldiers had relatively greater exposure than other body areas above the parapets in the European trench warfare of that period, and the British "Brodie" helmet and the nearly identical U.S. Marine Corps Doughboy helmet gave insufficient protection to the back of the skull (in contrast to the protection afforded by . A-125-2 ID IN SHELL (HG-43) WWII GERMAN SS M-42 HELMET IN ORIGINAL SHIPPING CRATE. Incredibly, given that the M1 was being used by some advanced militaries as recently as the 1990s and is still employed by a few countries today, the development of it dates back to the First World War in the mid-1910s. Heavily distressed #re, Specters in the Snow, the story of Finlands Skeleton Helmet, Sinister in Black, the Pre-War Helmet of the SS, The German helmet of the Normandy Campaign, The Tsars French Helmet, the Imperial Russian Adrian, Visiting the Baltic with Alexander & Sons, Understanding WWII German helmet insignia, Whats inside, German helmet liners 1920-1940, Geronimos helmet, a short history of the U.S. M2, A Short History of the German Steel Helmet of the Great War. Welcome to the Treasure Bunker Forum - Please feel free to join and share your knowledge, with our growing data base of collectors and historians, both new and advanced. What pattern of helmet is this, and given the unusual markings, is it a valuable relic, or is it some fantasy piece suitable to be stripped and restored to issue green? Its service history within the US armed forces spans a period of over forty years, being the standard issue military headgear for American soldiers between 1941 and 1983 and inspiring imitation models around the world. plant of Ford Motor Co of Philadelphia were they were painted and assembled. . Royal Air Force who died 24/02/1919 LINCOLN (NEWPORT) CEMETERY United Kingdom ' Hello Gents, it's been a long time, but I am back with an ID request. 2nd Bn. The design was esentially the same in WW2, but there are a number of specific differences between the two and once you recognise these differences, such as the width of the brim (wider in WW1), you find you can tell one from another very easily. Fully restored with river gravel finis In August 1915 he acquired a patent for a steel helmet design of his own, one which could be produced from a single sheet of steel pressed into the first basic Brodie helmet. This dilemmaseems to become particularly problematic for the British reenactors who after spending hundred of dollars on their kit accidentally purchase an American helmet because they dont know the difference, or for collectors who want one or the other represented in their collection. Production of the Mk 1 Brodie helmets . The sellers description may read, American WWI helmet or British WWI helmet. MSA. Category.